Tuesday, October 25, 2005

What's in a name?

An interesting discussion was had today in the student lounge regarding the granting of full civil marriage rights to same-sex couples and what we should call this 'inclusive' institution.

The position I take is one which was heartily advanced by Tom in today's discussion. (Qualification for Daily Hero Status - Agree with me / Be more liberal than me (that's how Marx got in) / Be damn funny) And that position is that the state should have nothing to do with the term 'marriage' - 'marriage' is a religious term and the state should have nothing to do with religion. Instead the state should have a term which describes the legally recognized union of two people - regardless of gender - e.g. Civil Unions (Tom wants to come up with a brand new word - I like this idea - but getting a consensus is gonna be tough) - and this legally recognized union would apply equally to hetero couples and homo couples. Now if any of those couples want to go ahead and 'get married' go ahead - more power to you - have your religious ceremony or whatever non-civil ceremony you desire and go ahead and call your union whatever you want - Marriage, Partnership, Civil Union, etc. But I am emphatic that the state should have nothing to do with the term 'marriage' - and I'll give two primary reasons why....

1. Marriage is an inherently religious term - regardless of the statistical outlier to whom the religious connotation doesn't come to mind - the overwhelming connotation of marriage - is man/woman - church - white dress - cake - rings. Yeah, marriage is largely a religious exercise that is sanctioned by the government ---- now it's understandably sanctioned - western society has a lot invested in this "two-person team" family unit - which is probably why the state sanctions marriage and not baptisms & bar mitzvahs - but it seems to me that utilizing a religious term is counter to the establishment clause and unnecessary - we have a more than competent Civil State which can record and affect the meaning of the union - no need for churches/temples/mosques to get involved with state affairs. Additionally the term is counter to notions of equality and justice - as historically access to marriage as an institution has been granted discriminatorily - Remember, Loving was only like 30 years ago - and Gay Marriage is legal in only ONE state. Which leads to my next point.

2. Marriage is associated with the inequity and discrimination mentioned above. If we as a society want to actually live up to our founding premise as a people committed to justice and equality (FOR EVERYBODY) - why would we grant equivalent rights but keep the same old nomenclature, especially when that nomenclature is fraught with religious meaning (this is why I like Tom's idea of finding a brand new word). Words are powerful - and I doubt that any among us, including those who would prefer that the state keep the term marriage, would have been okay with leaving the word 'colored' on the then-existing Southern lawbooks 50 years ago or allowing the same term to continue in usage in government records, such as the census - Outrageous - we wouldn't want any vestige or our discriminatory past to remain - even in the history books (kidding about the last thing....or am I).

Now, I don't have the clearest memory of the entire conversation - I think because I was desperately trying to understand someone's fruit analogy while at the same time trying to remain collegial and open-minded.....so I apologize in advance if I misstate anyone's argument - regardless - the arguments that I will paraphrase, while perhaps not the exact arguments that were discussed, are arguments that are put forth - and insofar that those arguments are advanced - my response would be appropriate.

1. There was a general allusion to the difficulties in updating statutes/Federal Tax Code to account for the proposed new nomenclature. I didn't take this point to be that it would be a hassle so why do it, but more of a we do things this way now, we can make this way fair, why go and change things that don't need to be changed. Fair enough, but as I alluded to above - I think that the word needs to go - I don't think that the term is fair - on its face - and it wouldn't be difficult to remedy the situation. Michael & Emily drafted a statute in about 5 seconds (independent from one another) when we discussed this topic - such that hey - Civil Unions are the new Marriage, Marriage is now wholly subsumed in a legal sense w/i Civil Unions blah blah blah. Have a commission that goes through existing law in order to make it complaint and as that is happening make sure that all new statutes comply with the revised terminology.

2. There was a fruit analogy which went to the point that marriage is marriage - it means man & woman - it's been that way for 2,000 - we shouldn't let the gays fuck it up (I say this in jest relating to what my classmate said, but it's a fair reflection of mainstream sentiment) - we'll give them their rights (as long as they shut the fuck up and stop having those damn Pride parades) but we don't want them calling it marriage b/c man & man does not equal marriage. So basically hetero 'marriage' = apples & homo 'civil unions' = oranges --- apparently they aren't the same thing (such that the different names are justified) but both will have the same rights. So it's basically an equal, but different naming scheme. Hmmmm......this sounds familiar......where have I heard this before......Oh wait, now I remember - it was phrased a little differently back in 1898 (I think they called it Separate but Equal) - but it was the foundation for Plessy - and legalized segregation. Didn't we, as a society (at least nominally) come to a conclusion about this policy about 51 years ago - yeah - it sucks - it's inherently unequal - and it brands the GLBT population as second class citizens.

Additionally - the government isn't recognizing a different concept w/r/to homo or hetero couples.....the concept is that the government is willing to recognize a union between two people - the government finds this union to be beneficial and as such chooses to incentivize this arrangement through the usage of government incentives and policies. But this isn't dependent on not having two penises or two vaginas in one 'union' - from the governments perspective there is no distinction between the gays getting together and the straights getting together - from the government's perspective there are no apple & oranges - it's all the same thing. So why bother with the two different names, unless your conferring a benefit upon one group of relationships by using a certain name....And that's exactly what the government is doing - its saying Marriage = Good, Traditional, Healthy, Normal / Civil Union = Second Class, Alternative, Different, Queer (but look how fucking accepting and progressive we are!). That's the jist of it.

In sum - I guess I have two points
1. separate but Equal = Bad, homo relationships and hetero relationships get called the same thing - Today, even those that wanted to keep the term marriage, agreed on this - Good Call.

2. Marriage = Religious, so the government shouldn't use it to sanction a relationship. This is a little more out there - and even if the GLBT rights movement is successful in getting rights that are equal - it's unlikely that this will change, but it's not the end of the world - I'm just hyper-paranoid about any religious influence/appearance in government.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's my problem with it. to me, civil union connotes a legal relationship. marriage connotes a legal and spiritual (not necessarily religious) relationship. a large part of the reason I think civil union is not sufficient for same-sex couples is because, regardless of the benefits conferred to them, it denies them the recognition of the spiritual aspect of the relationship. sure, everyone realizes that in order to progress your relationship to that level, there is a degree of love and commitment, a relationship that goes beyond the legal ties that bind. but it leaves out some of what the concept of marriage connotes.

under your system, where everyone has civil unions except those married in a church, there is a line drawn in the sand. though it's not the same line drawn currently (at heterosexual couples), it is still a line...and you have to choose your side. for a couple that is definitely atheist or definitely subscribes to a particular religion, that's easy. but for those that believe that marriage has a spiritual aspect that goes beyond the spiritual aspect of our pre-marriage long-term relationship, but at the same time, do not subscribe to the rules of any particular religion..where do they fall? choose the legal union or the religious union? the line in the sand also creates a whole new label and system of categorization. oh...you're not "married", you're..."united"....which brings a whole new breed of "elitist" religious right. gag me.

personally, i think the religious right has to accept the fact that society has adopted the concept of marriage as a societal construct rather than a religious concept. and that in our society, equal protection requires that everyone be entitled to the same recognition of a legal and spiritual joining of a couple who have the love, commitment, and intent to be bound.

if the churches don't like it, fine, they can go create their own new names. but I say there is no reason for society to demote all unions to a level that currently has the connotation of a legal only union when we should and could just recognize that same sex couples have/should have relationships of the same nature.

besides, if there was suddenly a distinction between church and non-church weddings, I would have to listen to both families insisting we get "married" and refer to our child as illegitimate, and I don't want to feel pressured to go to a Catholic church to get married all over again.

Kelly

10/25/2005  
Blogger AML said...

Clearly you and I agree on so much more than we disagree w/r/to this issue....

To clarify one point - I meant to say that everyone has Civil Unions AND those who choose to do so can add a marriage on top of it.

Other than that - I am sooooo with you as to equality - I think that we just see a different role for the government here. W/r/to personal desicions - this is the one area where I want the least gov't involvement - I basically want to go to the courthouse - say here's my partner, we love each other - now where's my tax break. I want it to be simple and equal (totally). I'm all about the equality in the gov't recognition.

I see your point about the spiritual aspect - but to me, that isn't an aspect of the relationship where the government plays any role - I don't need/want/care about the state sanctioning any more than a legal relationship.

And I empathize regarding family issues - but this isn't an area that the 'state' should get involved in - the state shouldn't have a legal concept for those crazy catholic grandparents that we all have (God rest their souls). And as I said before (at least I meant to say before) - anyone that the church is willing to marry could get married - but it wouldn't be dispositive as to state recognition. This is different than what Canada is doing - they're saying Gay Marriage is cool - but continuing to allow "church weddings" to suffice for legal recognition while enacting legislation such that churches can't be compelled to marry a couple (even if they are legally allowed to get married) whom isn't hetero. This seems discriminatory to me. Hetero Couples can affect their legal relationship two ways - Church & Court, whereas Homo's are relegated solely to the Court.

But hey - I'm happy to have this disagreement as opposed to the "Gay's have no rights" disagreement - any day of the week & twice on "Sunday"!

10/25/2005  
Blogger Moon said...

calling it "civil marriage" might be a practical way to clarify things while satisfying ano's concerns, though i must confess i find them silly: i don't need a civil union, a marriage, or a ham sandwich to tell me whether i've achieved a higher spiritual union with someone, and anyone who's looking to those sources for such validation is looking in the wrong place.

but even so, by expressio unum calling the union the state is authorized to sanction a "civil marriage" is to strongly imply than any other usage of "marriage" with or without a modifier connotes something non-civil in the sense of extra-legal.

i'm glad to hear this discussion happen, and I agree, AML, with your conclusions. but insofar as Ano's objection may prove to be representative, a gentler alternative might be indicated.

10/26/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm fine with what I believe aml's comments suggest: that the state recognizes no marriage; that every couple receiving the state-sponsored benefits of marriage receives the same title as far as the state is concerned, and that anyone who would like a ceremony expressing a bond separate from the legal bond can do so in the way they choose, call it what they want, but receive no additional recognition.

what I am not fine with is the idea that people who get married in a church are considered "married" by the state, while those who choose a ceremony not performed by the church will only be considered by the state to have a "civil union".

as far as your reference to my concerns being silly, and not needing a title to tell you the relationship is more than a legal bond...I find your tone condescending. I also find it to be based on a double standard. If the label we attach to the relationship/bond/ceremony does not matter, then what is wrong with calling a same-sex union civil union and a hetero union a marriage, provided both receive the same benefits?

i think there is a flaw, an inherent inequality in that, whether it be a word or title or whatever. and regardless of the fact that no one should need the validation of a title, most of us feel that in certain situations, a title or lack thereof indicates a lack of respect. under the "civil unions only for same-sex couples" model, the lack of respect is based on sexuality. under the "civil unions outside of church, marriage inside of church" model, there is still a societal distinction between two groups, only this time it is the religious and the non-religious.

I find it ironic that people who are quick to argue that the distinction between civil union and marriage are important enough to warrant unequal treatment would say the distinction is silly when applied to different groups.

Kelly

10/26/2005  

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